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Old June 5th 05, 01:49 PM
Thomas Avery
 
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Received my real estate tax bill yesterday, $7,033.00 and I'm in a rural
area. No sewer (my private system), no refuse pickup (private hauler),
county police (took one hour for law enforcement to reply when neighbor had
break-in), and volunteer FD. Taxes on home in the city for my in-laws is
only $1,910.00 with full services. The largest chunk of the tax, 58%, is for
schools. Overpaid administration, incompetent teachers and sports obsession.
District wouldn't support expansion of HS library but fell all over
themselves to spend for football field lighting. As a newscaster used to say
"That's the way it is".



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Welcome to America. You live in an area with little industry or other
expensive taxable basis apparently.

99% of school administrators and teachers see ANY and Every dollar
spent on schools, no matter what the money goes toward, as a Good
Thing. Their mission in life is to make your property taxes as high as
possible so they can spend as much as possible. A school district here
in the midwest just spent $4.5 million on a football stadium. $3,000
per student for a stadium. For a sport that could simply be played on
a field without stands.

Your only hope is to organize an opposition slate of school board
candidates and run against the current pack of crooks. You will fail,
however, because Americans are incredibly stupid. Most of us see
nothing wrong at all with spending $9,000 per student per year for a
crap education, or paying $600 million for a new football stadium for
an NFL team even though the other stadium works fine and isn't even
paid off yet. Hell, we'll pay $1.29 for a bottle of water, and $60,000
for a 4-ton abdusrd-looking vehcile with little practical purpose that
gets 13 mpg highway...the Hummer.

The force that drives government lunes to take our money away from us
for such folleys isn't socialism or communism, it's totalitarianism -
the concept that once elected, government officials can do absolutely
anything they want.

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Old June 5th 05, 04:57 PM
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Welcome to America. You live in an area with little industry or other
expensive taxable basis apparently.

99% of school administrators and teachers see ANY and Every dollar
spent on schools, no matter what the money goes toward, as a Good
Thing. Their mission in life is to make your property taxes as high as
possible so they can spend as much as possible. A school district here
in the midwest just spent $4.5 million on a football stadium. $3,000
per student for a stadium. For a sport that could simply be played on
a field without stands.



one thing that did the romans in was their obsession with athletics.


Your only hope is to organize an opposition slate of school board
candidates and run against the current pack of crooks. You will fail,
however, because Americans are incredibly stupid. Most of us see
nothing wrong at all with spending $9,000 per student per year for a
crap education, or paying $600 million for a new football stadium for
an NFL team even though the other stadium works fine and isn't even
paid off yet. Hell, we'll pay $1.29 for a bottle of water, and $60,000
for a 4-ton abdusrd-looking vehcile with little practical purpose that
gets 13 mpg highway...the Hummer.


13mgp? that much?

The force that drives government lunes to take our money away from us
for such folleys isn't socialism or communism, it's totalitarianism -
the concept that once elected, government officials can do absolutely
anything they want.


and the fact that the population has figured out a way to get their hands
into the treasury via those official. politicians understand the
electorate's gimme-****s. that's why they keep getting elected. the root
is greed and the concept that you're entitled to someone elses's money.


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Old June 5th 05, 05:34 PM
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Welcome to America. You live in an area with little industry or other
expensive taxable basis apparently.



Not a difficult situation to have in most areas anymore.


99% of school administrators and teachers see ANY and Every dollar
spent on schools, no matter what the money goes toward, as a Good
Thing. Their mission in life is to make your property taxes as high as
possible so they can spend as much as possible.


They don't get the concept of a budget or keeping spending within our
means. I was on the board of a local organization. One of the constant
battles was with another board member who was employed by the local
government school. He always wanted to spend more than we had. When
asked what would happen if he ran over budget on projects for the school
he replied that they would just give him more money...


A school district here
in the midwest just spent $4.5 million on a football stadium. $3,000
per student for a stadium. For a sport that could simply be played on
a field without stands.


We have the same sports obsession in our local government schools. It
seems there are a few gung ho parents who absolutely have to have pro
class stadiums for games that can be played on a field.



Your only hope is to organize an opposition slate of school board
candidates and run against the current pack of crooks. You will fail,
however, because Americans are incredibly stupid. Most of us see
nothing wrong at all with spending $9,000 per student per year for a
crap education, or paying $600 million for a new football stadium for
an NFL team even though the other stadium works fine and isn't even
paid off yet. Hell, we'll pay $1.29 for a bottle of water, and $60,000
for a 4-ton abdusrd-looking vehcile with little practical purpose that
gets 13 mpg highway...the Hummer.



I think they are more like 8 mpg downhill on a good day.


The force that drives government lunes to take our money away from us
for such folleys isn't socialism or communism, it's totalitarianism -
the concept that once elected, government officials can do absolutely
anything they want.

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Old June 5th 05, 06:05 PM
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"Thomas Avery" wrote in message
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Received my real estate tax bill yesterday, $7,033.00 and I'm in a rural
area. No sewer (my private system), no refuse pickup (private hauler),
county police (took one hour for law enforcement to reply when neighbor

had
break-in), and volunteer FD. Taxes on home in the city for my in-laws is
only $1,910.00 with full services. The largest chunk of the tax, 58%, is

for
schools. Overpaid administration, incompetent teachers and sports

obsession.
District wouldn't support expansion of HS library but fell all over
themselves to spend for football field lighting. As a newscaster used to

say
"That's the way it is".



I'm in a suburban area and 82% of property taxes are school taxes. What does
your other 42% go for if you have no services ?




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Old June 5th 05, 08:20 PM
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Welcome to America. You live in an area with little
industry or other expensive taxable basis apparently.


99% of school administrators and teachers see ANY and Every dollar
spent on schools, no matter what the money goes toward, as a Good
Thing. Their mission in life is to make your property taxes as high as
possible so they can spend as much as possible. A school district here
in the midwest just spent $4.5 million on a football stadium. $3,000
per student for a stadium. For a sport that could simply be played on
a field without stands.


one thing that did the romans in was their obsession with athletics.


That was the greeks.

The romans were more into feeding xtians to the lions etc.

Your only hope is to organize an opposition slate of school board
candidates and run against the current pack of crooks. You will fail,
however, because Americans are incredibly stupid. Most of us see
nothing wrong at all with spending $9,000 per student per year for a
crap education, or paying $600 million for a new football stadium for
an NFL team even though the other stadium works fine and isn't even
paid off yet. Hell, we'll pay $1.29 for a bottle of water, and $60,000
for a 4-ton abdusrd-looking vehcile with little practical purpose that
gets 13 mpg highway...the Hummer.


13mgp? that much?

The force that drives government lunes to take our money away from us
for such folleys isn't socialism or communism, it's totalitarianism -
the concept that once elected, government officials can do absolutely
anything they want.


and the fact that the population has figured out a way to get their hands
into the treasury via those official. politicians understand the
electorate's gimme-****s. that's why they keep getting elected. the root
is greed and the concept that you're entitled to someone elses's money.




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Old June 8th 05, 08:18 AM
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"Thomas Avery" wrote:
Received my real estate tax bill yesterday, $7,033.00


If your property was just reevaluated, you can protest the evaluation. Many
if not most people who protest will get their property value reduced which
will remain for a number of years - saving you money year after year. I
protested my reevaluation in Durham, NC and got it reduced significantly.
Make sure you do it in the window of time for such protests.

Never accept a tax evaluation without protest. Take pictures of your
property and get recent sale prices of property near you to buttress your
claim.

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"Savvy-Discounts.com" wrote in message
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"Thomas Avery" wrote:
Received my real estate tax bill yesterday, $7,033.00


If your property was just reevaluated, you can protest the evaluation.
Many
if not most people who protest will get their property value reduced which
will remain for a number of years - saving you money year after year. I
protested my reevaluation in Durham, NC and got it reduced significantly.
Make sure you do it in the window of time for such protests.

Never accept a tax evaluation without protest. Take pictures of your
property and get recent sale prices of property near you to buttress your
claim.


That sounds nice in theory, but I'm interested in more detail as to how one
goes about proving the valuation is too high other than the photos and
comparable sales figures you mention. If, for example, the property looks
nice in the photos and the valuation is in line with or below the comps, how
do you get it reduced further?


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Old June 8th 05, 04:27 PM
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On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 14:18:51 GMT, "Chloe" wrote:

That sounds nice in theory, but I'm interested in more detail as to how one
goes about proving the valuation is too high other than the photos and
comparable sales figures you mention. If, for example, the property looks
nice in the photos and the valuation is in line with or below the comps, how
do you get it reduced further?


My experience was that the board wasn't really interested in those
things. Only when one of them happened to read off the information
that they had on file for the property and I noted that they had the
square footage wrong (too high) were they suddenly open to lowering
the assessment.

Dennis (evil)
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Old June 8th 05, 05:35 PM
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"Dennis" wrote in message
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On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 14:18:51 GMT, "Chloe" wrote:

That sounds nice in theory, but I'm interested in more detail as to how
one
goes about proving the valuation is too high other than the photos and
comparable sales figures you mention. If, for example, the property looks
nice in the photos and the valuation is in line with or below the comps,
how
do you get it reduced further?


My experience was that the board wasn't really interested in those
things. Only when one of them happened to read off the information
that they had on file for the property and I noted that they had the
square footage wrong (too high) were they suddenly open to lowering
the assessment.


Property in the county where I live undergoes a comprehensive reassessment
every few years and the board is reputed to be very unwilling to lower
valuations. In cases where the valuation is higher than an arm's length
purchase price, they do lower the valuation to match. And I expect they
would be willing to correct the kind of error you mention, as well. In the
case of the post I was responding to, I wondered if the implication was that
all someone had to do was go before the board and gripe, or if there were
some kind of valuation-lowering strategy I might be unaware of. If so, I'd
sure love to hear it.




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