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On Sun, 5 Feb 2017, The Real Bev wrote:

On 02/05/2017 12:02 PM, wrote:
how about a [used] Storage Container?

just dig a hole [saw a movie with one in it]

they even make Homes with storage containers now


They cost something like $2K delivered. OTOH, the Zoning People aren't
likely to approve -- the ****heads get upset if I park on the "lawn" in my
front yard.

I was never sure which was cause or effect.

All that "back to the land" stuff now almost fifty years ago, was it
really that they wanted to be farmers, or because living in the country,
they could build however they liked? All those geodesic domes and houses
made from scrap, it was cheap because they could avoid building codes.
And when starting from scratch, it's easier to build a home that is energy
efficient (don't forget underground homes!) than to retrofit an existing
home. So you get weird houses, but they were cheap and probably cheaper
to run.

Of course, it works other ways. There was a story last year about a hosue
like that, and I don't think "energy efficient" was factored in, just
"cheap" and it doesn't look healthy. But more important, when the guy
built it, he was living in fair isolation, but it became a much less rural
area in more recent times, "civilization" encroaching on the "wilderness"
and suddenly people not liking that ugly eyesore of a home.

Michael


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On 02/06/2017 10:32 AM, Michael Black wrote:
On Sun, 5 Feb 2017, The Real Bev wrote:

On 02/05/2017 12:02 PM, wrote:
how about a [used] Storage Container?

just dig a hole [saw a movie with one in it]

they even make Homes with storage containers now


They cost something like $2K delivered. OTOH, the Zoning People aren't
likely to approve -- the ****heads get upset if I park on the "lawn" in my
front yard.

I was never sure which was cause or effect.

All that "back to the land" stuff now almost fifty years ago, was it
really that they wanted to be farmers, or because living in the country,
they could build however they liked? All those geodesic domes and houses
made from scrap, it was cheap because they could avoid building codes.
And when starting from scratch, it's easier to build a home that is energy
efficient (don't forget underground homes!) than to retrofit an existing
home. So you get weird houses, but they were cheap and probably cheaper
to run.

Of course, it works other ways. There was a story last year about a hosue
like that, and I don't think "energy efficient" was factored in, just
"cheap" and it doesn't look healthy. But more important, when the guy
built it, he was living in fair isolation, but it became a much less rural
area in more recent times, "civilization" encroaching on the "wilderness"
and suddenly people not liking that ugly eyesore of a home.


The "suburb" I live in was built cheesily so that returning Korean War
vets would have a place to live. Under 900 SF, corners aren't square,
the plumbing and electrical work was done by third-graders with inferior
materials, and the design precludes any sort of expansion that doesn't
involve knocking down at least half of the house. No insulation, we
put some in the "attic" ourselves. The thought of the City Assholes
wanting to preserve "values" is laughable. If they were concerned about
that they wouldn't have planted magnolias and Chinese elms as street
trees and then neglected trimming them -- giving the residents a free
lesson in the concept of "self pruning".

Apparently some SoCal architects are building (or threatening to build)
a house out of multiple stacked containers -- adding insulation, glass,
DESIGN, etc. The picture looks fine.


--
Cheers, Bev
You know it's time to clean the refrigerator when
something closes the door from the inside.


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